tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post6891942228796795400..comments2024-03-09T03:20:20.004-05:00Comments on Tenured Radical: On Political Violence: Vandalism And Mortal Threats In The Wake Of The Wake Of The Health Care VoteTenured Radicalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05703980598547163290noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-13139971612239678772010-04-01T11:12:47.962-05:002010-04-01T11:12:47.962-05:00No, I have no wishes -- I was just curious. Comen...No, I have no wishes -- I was just curious. Coment away, AYY.Tenured Radicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05703980598547163290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-24095172617089196872010-04-01T10:34:59.807-05:002010-04-01T10:34:59.807-05:00Since it's okay to use a pseudonym, and since ...Since it's okay to use a pseudonym, and since I try to keep the comments on point, and since you don't ask others who they are, I don't understand why you're asking. <br /><br />If I told you what it meant then it wouldn't be very useful as a pseudonym. Since it's your blog, if you'd prefer that I use a different one when commenting, I'll abide by your wishes.<br /><br />AYYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-63630615754712842962010-04-01T08:53:26.092-05:002010-04-01T08:53:26.092-05:00It is. But AYY obviously stands for something -- ...It is. But AYY obviously stands for something -- I'm just curious about what it stands for. If you don't want to say, you don't have to, but why the mystery?Tenured Radicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05703980598547163290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-68473906835430223922010-03-31T22:54:11.502-05:002010-03-31T22:54:11.502-05:00TR,
I assumed it was okay to comment with a pseu...TR,<br /> I assumed it was okay to comment with a pseudonym. <br /><br />AYYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-38593916162943911562010-03-30T14:13:40.690-05:002010-03-30T14:13:40.690-05:00I still want to know what AYY means.I still want to know what AYY means.Tenured Radicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05703980598547163290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-69219580394212396272010-03-30T10:47:32.352-05:002010-03-30T10:47:32.352-05:00‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gu...‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’<br /><br /> Quiz for the day: If Sarah Palin had said this instead of Barack Obama, would TR be condemning her for exhorting her followers to violence? Would the quote have ended up on TR's post as another example of the dangerous rhetoric of the American right?JackDanielsBlackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285871354441074406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-85510770653732185732010-03-30T07:55:27.075-05:002010-03-30T07:55:27.075-05:00"What we got here is a difference of opinion,..."What we got here is a difference of opinion, but that's nothing a good, old-fashioned election can't fix."<br /><br />Sarah Palin in Searchlight Nevada, commenting on liberal interpretations of her "Don't Retreat..reload" remarkJackDanielsBlackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285871354441074406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-82693815787518570162010-03-30T07:04:24.185-05:002010-03-30T07:04:24.185-05:00Dear AYY:
Do you think hoping that Rush's kid...Dear AYY:<br /><br />Do you think hoping that Rush's kidneys fall out will make it happen?<br /><br />But what I really want to know is -- what does AYY stand for?Tenured Radicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05703980598547163290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-86451017530661813892010-03-30T01:23:47.975-05:002010-03-30T01:23:47.975-05:00TR,
I don't know about armed rebellion but a ...TR, <br />I don't know about armed rebellion but a prominent Dem politician certainly supported violence.<br />See http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/tab/article/<br /><br />That same politician laughed when Wanda Sykes said she hoped Rush Limbaugh's kidneys fail<br />See http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=3891<br /><br />And he was the one we were told would bring us together.<br /><br /><br />AYYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-31077346455505801332010-03-29T08:35:18.781-05:002010-03-29T08:35:18.781-05:00Word.Word.Tenured Radicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05703980598547163290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-18406857164984616042010-03-29T08:16:45.921-05:002010-03-29T08:16:45.921-05:00Indeed, this is not a teachable moment, as you ref...Indeed, this is not a teachable moment, as you refuse to be taught. Instead, you construct a straw man rather than deal with my comments honestly. As far as Democrats and Republicans are concerned, I believe that three of the four folks you quoted as historical extremists (Ben Tillman, George Wallace and Strom Thurmond when he made the statement) were Democrats. As for Jesse Helms, I hardly think that it is "invoking rebellion" to point out to voters that they may have lost out because of affirmative action. To suggest otherwise is typical liberal hyperbole.JackDanielsBlackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285871354441074406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-70335113559460763242010-03-29T07:16:01.836-05:002010-03-29T07:16:01.836-05:00I don't think this is a teachable moment. But ...I don't think this is a teachable moment. But for the record: I don;t think you would find any reputable historian, of any political persuasion, who would agree that any violence committed by members of the New Left was equivalent to the systematic, brutal, and lethal repression and murder of African-Americans over the course of the twentieth century. "States rights" is not a race-neutral phrase in the US, nor are references to "rebellion" and the resort to arms. <br /><br />And, by the way, I would challenge you to name one liberal Democrat who has invoked armed rebellion in the name of resisting an act of Congress or getting one passed.Tenured Radicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05703980598547163290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-89108450352606596552010-03-28T17:12:38.527-05:002010-03-28T17:12:38.527-05:00TR, you may have forgotten, but people were killed...TR, you may have forgotten, but people were killed by folks protesting the Vietnam war and other causes of the sixties. Have you forgotten the Weather Underground, the Black Panthers, the Symbionese Liberation Army and all the other rabble of the late sixties and early seventies? Remember "Off the pigs?" Incitement is incitement, whether its George Wallace or Huey Newton who is doing the inciting (or Barack Obama's pals Bill Ayers and Jeremy Wright, for that matter).<br /><br />And I think it is time to take another look at states rights. The tenth amendment to the U.S. Constitution seems to me to be at least as clear and deserving of attention as the rest of the Constitution. And saying that George Wallace "used the language" of states rights and therefore it is wrong of Boehner to argue for states rights is a logical fallacy--sort of like saying Hitler was a vegetarian, therefore all vegetarians are Nazis.JackDanielsBlackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285871354441074406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-16076061713119393922010-03-28T16:33:09.014-05:002010-03-28T16:33:09.014-05:00I think the post makes two other points: that the...I think the post makes two other points: that the people using this violent language of armed rebellion are politicians. One os the House Minority Leader; another was a governor and candidate for hte Presidency. The people you cite Jack were private citizens -- and I can;t see how those protests are either violent or suggest that violence is an option. Most of those people were ideologically non-violent. Demonstrating and chanting is not the same thing as, say, assassinating someone because you believe he is a "baby killer;" or trying to murder a whole family in their beds because their relative voted for the health care bill.<br /><br />Second point: white supremacists and segregationists used similar, deeply violent rhetoric which justified the use of legal and extra-legal violence to prevent desegregation. Fact. And this is what Boehner et. al. are drawing on, as well as he violent rebellion of the Civil War, when they sue the language of states rights.Tenured Radicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05703980598547163290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-82858890575945180992010-03-28T12:40:15.362-05:002010-03-28T12:40:15.362-05:00Oh Lynchburg.
The town was named for a Quaker, Joh...Oh Lynchburg.<br />The town was named for a Quaker, John Lynch, who ran a ferry across the James River at a particularly trecherous crossing (Percival's Rapids) but which happened to be on the route between Charlottesville and Greensboro, NC. To the north and west of Lynchburg are the Blue Ridge Mountains; to the south and east of Lynchburg, on the other side of the river basically, are the foothills and flatlands of Appamattox and the like. The tobacco and cotton farmers to the south and east were quite annoyed with Lynch, as he often ferried escaping slaves across the James on the Underground Railroad. So they raised a mob, went into town, burned down Lynch's house, took over the Quaker meeting house and appropriated it as a Baptist church, and hung Lynch in the center of town, on top of Quaker Hill. Do as Lynch did, spoke the mob, and we'll do to you as we did to Lynch. <br />And thus the origins of the term "to lynch." <br />This is also a good understanding of Lynchburg politics: the townies are quite moderate, if not occasionally liberal, but beware the white folks who live on the edge of town: they will burn down your houses (or at least your lawn with a well placed burning cross), brandish their guns, and all in all, be complete asses.Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15516778412252998682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-45796810727859458122010-03-28T12:17:14.329-05:002010-03-28T12:17:14.329-05:00Shane, I believe that you are missing my point. I...Shane, I believe that you are missing my point. I was pointing out the selectivity of TRs examples of extremism,<br />which are generally also quite old -- George Wallace has been dead for awhile, and I believe the War Between the States was about 150 years ago. Also, I don't buy the premise that Sarah Palin is stoking violence. If the right today has so much more passion than the left, then I say too bad for the left and they better get out and fire up the troops before the next congressional election. In America, the pendulum swings between the left and the right, and right now it seems to be swinging rightward.JackDanielsBlackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285871354441074406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-84739657409213069122010-03-28T11:23:34.433-05:002010-03-28T11:23:34.433-05:00Jack, the very fact that you had to go back 40 or ...Jack, the very fact that you had to go back 40 or 50 years to find examples of left-wing extremism to construct your false equivalency is pretty telling. TR's examples are all from the last 12 months or so. What has the American left done in the lifetime of most of the readers of this blog that can even compare to these "hijinks"?Shane in SLChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09009969830290878311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-38328883558902175412010-03-28T10:05:29.307-05:002010-03-28T10:05:29.307-05:00TR, your list of incendiary speech examples is a l...TR, your list of incendiary speech examples is a little incomplete. Let's not leave out the anti-Vietnam war rhetoric or that of black power. For a historian, how selective you are in your examples. I am sure you were right out there condemning the "Hey hey LBJ" chanters the Chicago rioters and the Malcolm X/ H Rap Brown crowd back in the day, right? (Or perhaps you were too young.)JackDanielsBlackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17285871354441074406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-33898477302540698592010-03-27T18:45:29.287-05:002010-03-27T18:45:29.287-05:00"A rhetorical scorched earth policy."
W..."A rhetorical scorched earth policy."<br /><br />Well said. Civility begins with civil speech. - TLTim Lacyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04098955217921572372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-439945398789735032010-03-27T17:12:26.343-05:002010-03-27T17:12:26.343-05:00But Cantor admonished Democratic National Committe...<i>But Cantor admonished Democratic National Committee chairman Tim Kaine and Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chair Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) for 'dangerously fanning the flames by suggesting that these incidents be used as a political weapon.'<br /></i><br />As Digby pointed out a day or so ago, this is classic domestic abuse rhetoric: "Don't make daddy angry or he'll have no choice but to beat you."Comrade PhysioProfhttp://physioprof.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-60628517057747152432010-03-27T16:01:21.783-05:002010-03-27T16:01:21.783-05:00I will share this. Thanks for posting!I will share this. Thanks for posting!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06653823666184075218noreply@blogger.com