tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post2871635968774185534..comments2024-03-09T03:20:20.004-05:00Comments on Tenured Radical: Weird History Department News: Thad Russell Has The Last WordTenured Radicalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05703980598547163290noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-38682440208522436262010-10-23T14:18:21.585-05:002010-10-23T14:18:21.585-05:00Sounds to me like the whole fucken thinge is just ...Sounds to me like the whole fucken thinge is just a self-promoting stunt to drive sales of his booke. "I was an adjunct and I got shitcanned and then I wrote a booke so please buy my booke" doesn't sell nearly as many bookes as "I was an iconoclast and the establishment protected its prerogatives by attempting to squelch my groundbreaking scholarship and so I wrote it uppe in this awesome booke so please buy my booke".Comrade PhysioProfhttp://physioprof.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-72452454625649041692010-10-23T13:40:43.489-05:002010-10-23T13:40:43.489-05:00What better evidence to support Russell's clai...What better evidence to support Russell's claims! Here, supposed intellectuals call his work "not particularly profound," "pretty fucked," and "weird" without ever having read it. Moreover, we now find out that his alleged personality defects and the "mess" that is his politics were all that mattered to some who worked with him. All of this demonstrates Russell's major claim -- a claim made by many others as well -- that the intellectual quality of one's work has little or nothing to do with one's standing in academia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-21985060491143533542010-10-23T12:28:08.700-05:002010-10-23T12:28:08.700-05:00A long time ago I had a summer job at Columbia. I ...A long time ago I had a summer job at Columbia. I got to work with Thad, who was a grad student then. I have no idea about the circumstances surrounding his job talk and the decision not to rehire him, but reading his blog post brought back a few memories. He was a good guy at heart, and maybe he's a very good teacher, but he put many people off, including the women and people of color I worked with. His politics on race and gender were a mess, yet he went on and on about how radical they were. If you disagreed with him, he condescended to you. I want to think he's changed since then, but from his blog post it looks like that's not the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-68000282385977899772010-10-22T10:09:44.374-05:002010-10-22T10:09:44.374-05:00I've started reading Renegade History, and I h...I've started reading <i>Renegade History</i>, and I have mixed feelings. I love the lucid prose and contrarian provocations. The ubber-anarchist celebration of lawlessness and individual freedom is sexy (although, in my opinion, naïve and inescapably bourgeois in its focus on individual autonomy). The arguments are well supported by relevant evidence. At the same time, quotes are taken FAR out of context, distorting the complexity of historical reality in a way that seems disingenuous. The nonsense about slavery mentioned above is only one example. Indeed this may be a symptom of the exponentially increasing superabundance of and ease of access to historical evidence. As Mike O'Malley argues <a href="http://theaporetic.com/?p=176" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://quintessenceofham.org/2010/10/18/evidence-and-abundance/" rel="nofollow">here</a>: "We are at the point where anyone with a wireless connection can dig up a thousand examples capable of proving any inanity imaginable."<br /><br />I think Linebaugh and Rediker's <i>Many-Headed Hydra</i> and especially Rediker's more recent <i>Slave Ship</i> are vastly superior treatments of the historical significance of what used to be called "lumpen" elements.<br /><br />But these are the kinds of interpretive debates that historians have all the time, and should not be the basis for hiring, firing, or promotion. In fact, I'm considering assigning portions of <i>Renegade</i> to my students as a fun text to teach against. Contrary to what Historiann claims above, if Russell was led on and then let go, he has a legitimate reason to be upset. Although his job was by its very definition unsecure, and even if he was aware all along that his scholarship was insanely offensive, that does not justify his ousting after a unanimous vote of confidence by the Barnard faculty (see the story linked above). I would like to hear more from Anonymous 2:22 on this, since she seems to have the inside dirt.<br /><br />Whatever the case, perhaps instead of arrogantly wagging our fingers at Russell for being a stupid crybaby, we should question the ever-growing, all-enveloping adjunct system that set the stage for this drama in the first place?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-42740023454926894092010-10-22T08:58:22.473-05:002010-10-22T08:58:22.473-05:00Abe--no one here commented on anything but the lin...Abe--no one here commented on anything but the linked HuffPo article in which he complained of being denied a tenure-track job after an interview he was assured was a mere formality. Anyone who says he believed this is either a self-deluded fool, or is misrepresenting the facts of his employment with a manufactured controversy.<br /><br />He may be a great historian, and if he is, good for him. I don't think I need to read his collected works (or blog posts) to call him out on the one I commented on.Historiannhttp://historiann.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-10436503268293423592010-10-22T07:03:37.340-05:002010-10-22T07:03:37.340-05:00Abe: You are right about that, and that is a good ...Abe: You are right about that, and that is a good caution. Readers should note that this piece (which some commenters are picking out) is about the un-wisdom of trying to take public revenge on others by publishing your own, inevitably self-serving, account of what happened (something that more than one of *us* in the blogosphere has done.) But don't forget the last part too -- if you are an intellectual, *be* an intellectual. Don't count on an academic world to support you, or assume it is the only path to academic production -- particularly if you have contempt for its values. And finally: keep writing, which as you point out, Russell has, evidently with some success.Tenured Radicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05703980598547163290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-27625469778626200412010-10-21T23:38:49.400-05:002010-10-21T23:38:49.400-05:00All the haters should actually read some TR before...All the haters should actually read some TR before they dismiss him out of hand. I don't get the sense that any of the posters so far have read his stuff, expect for the HuffPo piece which admittedly could use some editing. This may be a consequence of trying to condense a complex set of ideas (and yes, they are complex) into 1000 words. try this for starters http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-10-15/barack-obamas-civil-rights-legacy-by-thaddeus-russell, then check out his first book -- a brilliant revisionist history of Jimmy Hoffa. It's also worth pointing out that Renegade History broke the Top 100 on Amazon a few days ago. As the academic reading this blog will appreciate, it's exceedingly rare for a scholarly (or even quasi-scholarly book) to do that well. Not that selling books makes his stuff good, but he hits a populist nerve in a way few historian, even of the "social historian" bent manage to do. But I'd really caution people against judging TR's scholarship based on a piece that only mentions the content of his academic work in passing.Abehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00404998024940281967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-64609131957070521752010-10-21T19:40:01.441-05:002010-10-21T19:40:01.441-05:00I agree with Historiann and other posts that call ...I agree with Historiann and other posts that call this other TR out. Nevertheless, and despite my being suspicious of cults of personality that develop around instructors, this editorial in the student paper is perhaps of some interest:<br /><br />http://www.columbiaspectator.com/printer/view?nid=12242Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-40795007035204754842010-10-21T19:17:16.438-05:002010-10-21T19:17:16.438-05:00I've met other versions of Russell, who loved ...I've met other versions of Russell, who loved being the bad boy (and they are usually men, for the reasons that Historiann suggests). They love to shock, but that can't be the only thing up your sleeve. I mean, when I'm teaching I love to give my students new ideas, and I admit that I want to mess with their assumptions, but there's more to it than that!<br /><br />Squadrato nails the weirdness when he says people envied slaves. Is that why slaves took enormous risks to escape slavery and the "liberating" alternatives it offered?Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09716705206734059708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-17126654029381559192010-10-21T15:15:53.231-05:002010-10-21T15:15:53.231-05:00I'm with Matt L. His lede sentence tells you ...I'm with Matt L. His lede sentence tells you pretty much all you need to know about his self-delusion and cluelessness (or his willingness to capitalize on the cluenessness of others, anyway): <b>"Five years ago, I had every reason to believe that my job as a history professor at Barnard College was secure.</b> Why--because he was tenured, or had seveal years' worth of encouraging letters from the Tenure and Promotion committee in his department documenting his progress to tenure? No--he was an adjunct! What on God's green earth would lead any adjunct anywhere to believe that he has "every reason to believe that my job as a history professor . . . was secure." <br /><br />I've interviewed for a lot more jobs than I was ever offered, so I understand his feelings of rejection and his need to find an excuse outside of his own performance. But, the fact is that there are a lot of smart and talented people in the world, and they sometimes get the job instead of us. <br /><br />His pose as some kind of bold Libertarian truth-teller seems pretty fake to me. How cool for the youngish white male professor to say he "hated being 'Professor.' I cursed in class. I talked about sex. I used politically incorrect terms. My students said they had never heard the things I was teaching them in class." Russell took for granted the unearned privilege of respect and deference from students, got "cool points" that women and faculty of color couldn't get for behaving in a juvenille way, and then was surprised to learn that his colleagues didn't feel the same way as his students. Amazing! <br /><br />(For the record, I talk about sex, prostitutes, and pirates in my classes--as do most social and cultural historians trained in the 1990s and 2000s--so I don't buy his schtick that he was so challenging and daring compared to his peers. My students also say they've never heard these things before--but I chalk that up not to my amazing and inventive derring-do, but rather to the fact that they're college students who haven't yet read a lot of books by professional historians.)<br /><br />Well, I suppose everyone got what they wanted, because after all, he "hated being 'Professor.'"Historiannhttp://historiann.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-46922493569015352712010-10-21T14:47:34.567-05:002010-10-21T14:47:34.567-05:00That HuffPo post was silly.
It sounds like Bad ...That HuffPo post was silly. <br /><br />It sounds like Bad Thad was a visiting lecturer who thought he was more indispensable than he really was.Matt Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-67898935688999714432010-10-21T14:22:06.364-05:002010-10-21T14:22:06.364-05:00The worst kind of "liberal." If you are ...The worst kind of "liberal." If you are a person of color who disagrees with him you are "self-hating." There's a lot more to the story...signed: a former colleagueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-85330102256742436632010-10-21T14:01:27.936-05:002010-10-21T14:01:27.936-05:00I'm with Anonymous 12:32. Those who need to lo...I'm with Anonymous 12:32. Those who need to loudly proclaim themselves to be something, usually aren't.LouMacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-51417411379050431472010-10-21T10:47:37.634-05:002010-10-21T10:47:37.634-05:00If I may delurk...I find the guy's basic proje...If I may delurk...I find the guy's basic project interesting and in line with pop-scholarly books like <a href="http://www.amazon.com/London-Hanged-Peter-Linebaugh/dp/0521457580" rel="nofollow"><i>The London Hanged</i></a>. I'd actually like to see his book, since the political activism I do has shown me a lot about how "disreputable" working class and queer subcultures change larger society and how they help structure radical politics. <br /><br />I don't find the freelance stuff very promising, though, since it over-simplifies so dramatically. He doesn't seem to situate the goals of the "repressive" forces very well--it seems important to talk about how early American elites wanted to distance themselves from Europe and monarchy and so had a particular <i>need</i> for a rhetoric about virtue. I'm also wary of his discussion of [female] prostitution as an unmixed good and a sign of liberation rather than as regular old labor with a rather fierce set of drawbacks. If he's really engaged in an Oedipal struggle with his 60s mentors, perhaps he should bear in mind the sixties folkie/radical trope of "prostitution is awesome and [women] prostitutes are cool and liberated!"<br /><br />Maybe his work fits with the cultural trend which has given us (for example) <i>Boardwalk Empire</i>, those Maturin books and the (really terrific) YA books about Octavian Nothing--the desire for a "real" version of the past, the belief that the "real" version of the past is sexed-up and violent (which is sort of true) and a free-floating, partially justified suspicion of standard narratives. <br /><br />It seems very difficult to write a proletarian history like this without either seeming censorious and out-of-touch or unrealistically boosterish and oversimplifying.Frownernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-35339892013442528422010-10-21T10:08:20.488-05:002010-10-21T10:08:20.488-05:00I was as bemused as you were when I read this yest...I was as bemused as you were when I read this yesterday -- you really capture the confusion of the piece, how hard it is to figure out exactly what he's trying to say. However, you didn't mention my favorite bit: "many white Americans envied slaves ... since slave culture offered many liberating alternatives to the highly repressive, work-obsessed, anti-sex culture of the early United States." It's possible there's an element of truth in that statement, for some whites, in some times and places, but I find it hard to take as a general characterization of a common white attitude. And I think placing slavery in a dichotomy with "repressive" is pretty fucked.squadratomagicohttp://squadratomagico.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-59372738911125202282010-10-21T08:13:46.621-05:002010-10-21T08:13:46.621-05:00Thanks for bringing this guy to my attention. I ha...Thanks for bringing this guy to my attention. I have ordered his book from Amazon. Seems like an original thinker -- something we could use more of in Academe. Most academics seem very conservative, even when teaching subjects like Women's Studies, Gay and Lesbian Studies, etc. We need more original thinkers and fewer plodding followers, on the Left as well as on the Right.<br /><br />JackDanielsBlackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-86363740486436439092010-10-21T00:32:19.489-05:002010-10-21T00:32:19.489-05:00Even though I'm inclined to be sympathetic to ...Even though I'm inclined to be sympathetic to a guy like Russell, he comes across as a pompous ass. <br /><br />the more people proclaim how renegade they are, the less its true. <br /><br />this is schmaltzy self-promation for an interesting but not particularly profound historian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-9492096137854296502010-10-20T23:19:17.479-05:002010-10-20T23:19:17.479-05:00huffpo lets post pretty much anyone with a claim t...huffpo lets post pretty much anyone with a claim to celebrity. Jamie Lee Curtis has a whole series on social issues which is pretty light and fluffy, but not bad. and I loved her in True Lies.<br /><br />perhaps the TR should get a gig on there?jason fossellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04822932286142180788noreply@blogger.com