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Look, in order to be rich you gotta be a bitch<BR/><BR/>Am I Right Or Am I Right?<BR/><BR/>-Joe EAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-18832855494448326282008-10-18T11:48:00.000-05:002008-10-18T11:48:00.000-05:00"How much of your previous teaching, scholarship, ..."How much of your previous teaching, scholarship, and service get counted when you start the tenure clock at the new job?"<BR/><BR/>This is negotiable and varies tremendously by institution.<BR/><BR/>"What if your department loses a faculty line when you leave?"<BR/><BR/>This does happen sometimes. It is not your problem. <BR/><BR/>"What if the prospective employer wants to hire you through an unadvertised search?"<BR/><BR/>In my experience there are not a lot of unadvertised searches for TT positions, but I may be leading a sheltered life. I would just take the job.<BR/><BR/>And pay attention everyone to TR's point that you need a letter from someone in your current department to reassure us that you are not a weirdo.Larry Cebulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798046652983001155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-87339419846517204642008-09-09T09:27:00.000-05:002008-09-09T09:27:00.000-05:00@hghothoI'd agree with the advice you were given, ...@hghotho<BR/><BR/>I'd agree with the advice you were given, but am also curious about what type of tenure track job you are looking for. I'm guessing a job with a decent teaching load. That's difficult, actually nearly impossible.<BR/><BR/>However, I think you have a decent shot at a tenure track job with a high teaching load in an undesirable location.<BR/><BR/>A better strategy would be to publish for the next three years. Cut your teaching by a course if possible. Don't do summer teaching. Take a semester off and live with your parents.<BR/><BR/>You need more time for research, given your teaching load, and you need some success. If you can publish and put together a plan for another book, a tenure track job is not out of the question.<BR/><BR/>If reducing your teaching load is not possible I see no way that you will ever get a tenure track job with a nice teaching load. Ultimately you have to convince your future employer what you would do if given the job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-1523388537780625972008-09-09T09:26:00.000-05:002008-09-09T09:26:00.000-05:00Word up.Word up.BlogSlothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08286657614256259879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-63382806598890723312008-09-09T07:40:00.000-05:002008-09-09T07:40:00.000-05:00Thanks for the comments, folks. In my cover lette...Thanks for the comments, folks. In my cover letter, I am definitely the most open and enthusiastic self I can be, and honestly discuss why I'm interested in the position, their department, what I think I can bring to it, etc. I haven't said I am willing to start over my tenure clock--and I don't think I am. I don't expect tenure coming in, but I want my years to count. Between several years of postdoc and then faculty years it'd be too much to start over. But yeah, it's when I interview that I get "Rrrreallly? Why would you want to leave Pressure Cooker U?" And I give them honest reasons but the incredulity really surprises me.Aguacatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01676384802141685093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-61839519440926425382008-09-08T20:54:00.000-05:002008-09-08T20:54:00.000-05:00I think we should rather define adjuncts as those ...I think we should rather define adjuncts as those who "have the least." Everyone else seems to forget we exist, including this post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-86930094035533730622008-09-08T16:40:00.000-05:002008-09-08T16:40:00.000-05:00Thanks, Right-wing. I'm in a humanities field, and...Thanks, Right-wing. I'm in a humanities field, and there's been a lot of discussion lately (led by Lindsay Waters) about the problem of expecting humanities scholars to follow the same kind of research trajectory as scientists and mathematicians. Apparently, there's a stunning statistic about mathematicians making most of their major contributions early in their careers, and an equally stunning (although less quantifiable) statistic about how long it takes humanists to make truly major contributions. By looking too hard for prodigies, humanities departments have ended up with too many trendy lightweights. I'm hoping that I can fill the gap in experience and depth they've created. In any case, I'm giving it a try.HGHothohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17894292071421643256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-53208024481346089562008-09-08T14:31:00.000-05:002008-09-08T14:31:00.000-05:00Sounds good and good luck. In case I didn't make i...Sounds good and good luck. In case I didn't make it clear, I have not the faintest idea of hiring/job market in any field other than mathematics! Translate my experience to your situation at your own risk.davidjhemmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15557657307865513144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-39177818118975703252008-09-08T13:59:00.000-05:002008-09-08T13:59:00.000-05:00Thanks for the blunt and direct opinion, Right-win...Thanks for the blunt and direct opinion, Right-wing Prof. I've had a few too many years of people saying "this will be your year" to my face when they knew it wasn't. Fortunately, the book really is a splash--it has a top-of-the line publisher, an original thesis on several major figures, and a breakthrough in methodology. I knew after just a few years off the tenure track that the odds were against me unless I pulled off something big. The odds still aren't very good because of that brutal ratio you describe, but at least they're better than they were.HGHothohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17894292071421643256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-29754668773014458092008-09-08T13:15:00.000-05:002008-09-08T13:15:00.000-05:00hghotho,Your reasons for moving will be obvious, t...hghotho,<BR/><BR/>Your reasons for moving will be obvious, they need no explanation. However I fear you have descended into the netherworld of the permanent academic underclass and there will be no escaping it. If you had been 2 years post degree and your book was coming out perhaps you get a TT job. Now, with the "same" research record but an additional 8 years of teaching you will find yourself getting nothing, your denominator in the equation <BR/><BR/>productivity rate=research/yearspastPHd <BR/><BR/>is too big.<BR/><BR/>In mathematics, in order to leave this permanent underclass, you would need to make a big research splash. If someone has been doing various visiting/temp positions for many years and then they prove a spectacular theorem, they will have a good shot at moving to the TT. If the same person just manages to publish a couple middling papers, they likely will not get out, even if a new PhD with the same papers might get hired. If your field is similar, your book had better be earthshattering.davidjhemmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15557657307865513144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-17603251307552767102008-09-08T12:31:00.000-05:002008-09-08T12:31:00.000-05:00Anybody have any advice for jumping from non-tenur...Anybody have any advice for jumping from non-tenure track to tenure-track? I'm headed back to the market after eleven years at an excellent research university teaching between eight and ten courses a year. I finally published the book, and I'm eager to do a little better in terms of money and research time. My reasons for moving are very obvious--do I need a different or more elaborate story? What kind of position am I eligible for at this point?HGHothohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17894292071421643256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-46955480720961490212008-09-07T22:16:00.000-05:002008-09-07T22:16:00.000-05:00I think it is generally a cold day in hell when a ...I think it is generally a cold day in hell when a SLAC hires someone at a senior level. Actually I tried to crack that force field after graduate school and again after a postdoc, but it is very very difficult. Especially the SLAC that expect you to maintain research productivity of an R1 but be at your students' beck and call as well!davidjhemmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15557657307865513144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-19823322626949354402008-09-07T21:46:00.000-05:002008-09-07T21:46:00.000-05:00I would love to hear advice, TR, on how to jump fr...I would love to hear advice, TR, on how to jump from an R1 to a SLAC. In fact -- truth be told -- I would very much like to jump to your SLAC or one like it. However, your schools and most others of its kind rarely advertise for tenured professors, and I do already have tenure. Any advice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-3162835829470812872008-09-07T18:41:00.000-05:002008-09-07T18:41:00.000-05:00@aguacateI've been on search committees in a good ...@aguacate<BR/><BR/>I've been on search committees in a good but not outstanding department. We've never had a problem with thoughts of "we're wasting our time recruiting this person because he's just trying to get a better offer." The reason is that it's usually tenured folks who try that strategy. You don't have tenure, they know you don't have tenure, you have doubts about whether you'll get tenure, and they know you have doubts about whether you'll get tenure.<BR/><BR/>I say just apply, tell the truth, and don't worry about it. Key piece of advice, though, write in the cover letter that you're willing to start your tenure clock over. If so, you're less of a risk than 95% of the applicants. Sometimes we get apps from assistant professors at good schools who want to come in with tenure - no way. From your comment, I don't see what you are telling them, and they genuinely want to know.<BR/><BR/>When you hear "why are you interested in us", they probably expect you will get a better offer from some other school. And they're probably right; it's a lot easier to predict your odds of recruiting an assistant professor than a new Ph.D.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-27817907016553007962008-09-06T13:24:00.000-05:002008-09-06T13:24:00.000-05:00Hi TR,Love the blog, esp since I am in the academi...Hi TR,<BR/><BR/>Love the blog, esp since I am in the academic advice racket also. A few comments and takes on stuff in the comments thread:<BR/><BR/>WHY NOT TO USE LETTERHEAD. I actually don’t think people should use their current institution’s letterhead when applying for a new job (most of the time). You are, after all, selling yourself and trying to separate yourself from the institution where you work. The letterhead is a reminder for the committee of where you’re at and doesn’t necessarily confer any advantage: either you’re at a “good” place (please note ironic scarequotes) and they wonder if you’re really serious about leaving (or why you are) or you’re at a “bad” place and therefore get no points for being there. Also, you’re applying as a person, not a functionary of the institution (as opposed to using the same letterhead for a recommendation). Basically, I think it’s the “don’t use letterhead for personal business” rule; don’t do it for the same reason you don’t dispute suspicious charges to your credit card on letterhead.<BR/><BR/>THE STORY OF WHY YOU WANT TO MOVE: I think the #1 rule is simply to speak in positive terms—why you are excited about the new opportunity and place and what you hope to accomplish there. The less you say about where you are (beyond the standard “I am currently an assistant professor at such and such a school”, generally speaking, the better.<BR/><BR/>IS IT UNETHICAL TO APPLY FOR ANOTHER JOB WHEN YOU HAVE ONE? No, never, unless you are actively deceiving someone about something. No matter how much capital people spent to get you to a place, it is a market, you are absolutely entitled to test it any time you want and for any reason. Of course, you can’t keep approaching your institution for counteroffers, and I don’t recommend going on the market frivolously (if you’re not serious about it, there is really no point and a lot of damage to be done) but those are other issues. Colleagues may be mad that you applied for another job, but they are either naive or they resent that you have the possibility to move (either because of your life situation or the quality of your work).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-89727710808283345832008-09-06T12:37:00.000-05:002008-09-06T12:37:00.000-05:00I switched jobs this year. My expressed reason, to...I switched jobs this year. My expressed reason, to referees, friends, enemies, dean, search committee, family was: I enjoy my current position, but I'd like to find a position where my growing interest in [topic] is a better fit for the department's priorities. Positive, career-oriented, low-key reason with an obvious transition to the advantages of new department. <BR/><BR/>I negotiated tenure clock. The new department offered full credit, but I expected my research productivity to suffer during the transition. It did, so I'm pleased to have an extra year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-21749897819759284692008-09-06T11:40:00.000-05:002008-09-06T11:40:00.000-05:00Hi TR! Excellent post. I'm sending the link to a...Hi TR! Excellent post. I'm sending the link to all of my friends who are currently in this position.<BR/><BR/>To phdinhistory,<BR/><BR/>This has been my individual experience with your 3 questions.<BR/><BR/>1. My uni will allow me the full 6 years before going up for tenure (requirements are a lot higher here than at my previous school, so I want all the time I can get), but they are also flexible, and my chair has told me on two occasions that if my book comes out before year 6, he would wholeheartedly support me going up early--whenever that would be.<BR/><BR/>2. My old department did lose the line when I left. That is their problem, not mine.<BR/><BR/>(FWIW, they treated me like dirt, but even if they had been a good colleagial department, there's nothing I can accomplish by worrying from afar about the extra work my former chair is now left with as he scrambles to get adjuncts to teach my courses for an indefinite period of time.)<BR/><BR/>3. A hire through an unadvertised search is often termed a "a target of opportunity hire." This is when your prospective department makes a case so strongly in favor of hiring an individual for very specific reasons that conducting a national search would prove to be antithetical to those goals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-61894081251914353462008-09-06T10:53:00.000-05:002008-09-06T10:53:00.000-05:00Here's the 3 of the newest job sites from About.co...Here's the 3 of the newest job sites from About.com's top 10 Employment list..all of them provide high paying job listings.<BR/><BR/>http://www.linkedin.com<BR/>http://www.indeed.com<BR/>http://www.realmatch.com<BR/><BR/>Theres a perfect job out there for everyone!Richard Jenningshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12053913915627310540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-35632967158634290942008-09-06T09:01:00.000-05:002008-09-06T09:01:00.000-05:00I'm with right-wing prof on the leave of absence t...I'm with right-wing prof on the leave of absence thing. In my experience, this courtesy has only been extended to tenured people who were "trying out" another job, not junior faculty, but I find absolutely nothing wrong with maximizing one's options. If your employer offers the possibility of an unpaid leave, why not take it? It doesn't hamstring the probably soon-to-be-former department that long, and institutions always, always, always have more time and more resources than individuals.<BR/><BR/>And aguacate, I feel your pain. All you can do is to be the most open and most enthusiastic version of yourself that you possibly can be. Get to know as much as you can about the faculty and the institutions you interview with to show evidence of your interest in them. You will probably be able to convince someone that they'll be lucky to rescue a quality person like you that Pressure Cooker U. refuses to appreciate. (TR may have other, more specific advice.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com