tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post4934413896026544156..comments2024-03-09T03:20:20.004-05:00Comments on Tenured Radical: How To Prevent Abortions: Stop Pretending Teenagers Don't Have SexTenured Radicalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05703980598547163290noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-27326105299961427202010-09-19T14:57:26.609-05:002010-09-19T14:57:26.609-05:00The abstinence-only/anal sex correlation is discus...The abstinence-only/anal sex correlation is discussed in Celia M. Lescano et al., “Correlates of Heterosexual Anal Intercourse Among At-Risk Adolescents and Young Adults,” American Journal of Public Health, Vol 99, No. 6 (June 2009): 1131-1136. The paper got some media attention in 2008 and led to this (from Dan Savage's Wikipedia entry):<br /><br />“In 2008–2009, as a response to then President-elect Barack Obama's choice of Rick Warren to give the invocation at Obama's inauguration—and in response to Stephen Colbert's comment that 'saddleback' sounded like a sex act—Savage Love readers were encouraged to vote to define the neologism 'saddlebacking' in reference to Warren's role as pastor of Saddleback Church. Warren and the church supported the 2008 California constitutional amendment Proposition 8, which required the state to recognize only marriage between a man and a woman. The winning definition for 'saddlebacking' was 'the phenomenon of Christian teens engaging in unprotected anal sex in order to preserve their virginities'"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-72498360243141083592010-09-19T14:01:07.439-05:002010-09-19T14:01:07.439-05:00P.S. I love life. I'm really a big fan of it. ...P.S. I love life. I'm really a big fan of it. That's why I planned it for my three daughters. Really, the whole "pro-life" slogan needs to come up with a new angle. For realz.AcadeMamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15510282285225998011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-12570866866440264642010-09-19T13:59:12.145-05:002010-09-19T13:59:12.145-05:00Regarding the story about the couple in OKC, I hav...Regarding the story about the couple in OKC, I have a friend who was raised Southern Baptist and made the whole "purity promise" and whatnot before she got to college. Yeah, the oral sex she was giving to her boyfriend evidently didn't count in that promise, so clearly there are some loopholes, as you point out. <br /><br />This is something I deal with almost daily, as my 11 year old daughter is on constant Puberty Watch. She begs me to let her shave her (hairless) armpits and wants to know if vaginal mucous is normal. I thank Goddess that she is comfortable enough asking me these questions now, and I'm terrified of the day she goes silent. I respect her body as one that is sexualized, even if not by her. Yet, I have a very hard time reconciling my instincts as a feminist with my instincts as a mother.AcadeMamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15510282285225998011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-37206934510744655202010-09-17T17:15:52.003-05:002010-09-17T17:15:52.003-05:00Forwarding the stale discussion into a new discuss...<i>Forwarding the stale discussion into a new discussion with new terms and positions is progress.<br /></i><br />Supposedly rational liberals capitulating to right-wing woman-hating assholes in some misguided attempt at compromise is "a new discussion with new terms and positions"? For realz?<br /><br />I agree with Amanda Marcotte that the better strategy is to educate reasonable people that anti-abortion right-wingers are motivated by their hatred of women and their desire to punish slutty sluts, not by "protecting life".<br /><br />Forgetting about the substantive merits, why do you think it is that the right-wing always wins these battles? Could it be because they draw stark moral lines, and refuse to compromise? Why did the left win on preventing right-wing plutocrats from "privatizing" (i.e., plundering) social security? Because it drew a stark moral line and refused to compromise.Comrade PhysioProfhttp://physioprof.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-53028259463792253032010-09-17T16:42:59.354-05:002010-09-17T16:42:59.354-05:00Oh, and BTW, I agree with anonymous. How about the...Oh, and BTW, I agree with anonymous. How about the sex is good idea? Because it is. That's why people keep having it.Dorothy Potter Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15437027506822572629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-64020430444972761592010-09-17T16:41:29.415-05:002010-09-17T16:41:29.415-05:00Well, PhysioProf, we have to start somewhere.
I ...Well, PhysioProf, we have to start somewhere. <br /><br />I know you're given to hyperbolic language, but that's not going to get us any closer to developing anything akin to a civilized dialogue on how to approach public policy on this matter. Don't you think we've been stuck on this one for a long, long time? Long enough for you?<br /><br />Agreeing that others have the right to their misguided ideas is part of being a good American. Forwarding the stale discussion into a new discussion with new terms and positions is progress.Dorothy Potter Snyderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15437027506822572629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-3615916115732666422010-09-17T15:23:11.905-05:002010-09-17T15:23:11.905-05:00However, I will honor and respect the belief that ...<i>However, I will honor and respect the belief that "life" begins at conception (even though I don't accept it) if my opposite number honors my belief that sex education ought to tell the full truth about sex and reproductive choice, making those choices real through the availability of birth control and insisting that both boys and girls are equally responsible for safer sex practices and the prevention of unwanted pregnancies.<br /></i><br />Considering that the whole point of "pro-life" assholes is to punish sluts for fucking by forcing them to carry pregnancies to term, I doubt you're gonna get any "pro-lifers" to accept your offer, since it will allow sluts to fuck without suffering.<br /><br />From a broader perspective, however, I am somewhat troubled by your position. You are basically saying, I'll allow you to drive some public policy with your deranged religious lies, so long as you allow me to drive some public policy with empirical reality.Comrade PhysioProfhttp://physioprof.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-24850567333516928982010-09-17T14:39:19.436-05:002010-09-17T14:39:19.436-05:00EEEK! Forgive the double-post!EEEK! Forgive the double-post!Ruviananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-15232928116825274842010-09-17T14:38:33.844-05:002010-09-17T14:38:33.844-05:00The anal sex thing reminded me of a conversation I...The anal sex thing reminded me of a conversation I had years ago with a student who was Iranian. She said that middle eastern women were notorious for having anal sex since it allowed them to remain virgins at marriage. I haven't the foggiest clue if this is true, but the parallel struck me. And how many of us recall (I'm in my late 50s if that helps) many "technical virgins" who were probably more sexually sophisticated than their fellow students who were actually having sex!Ruviananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-14605198356427296422010-09-17T14:38:25.906-05:002010-09-17T14:38:25.906-05:00The anal sex thing reminded me of a conversation I...The anal sex thing reminded me of a conversation I had years ago with a student who was Iranian. She said that middle eastern women were notorious for having anal sex since it allowed them to remain virgins at marriage. I haven't the foggiest clue if this is true, but the parallel struck me. And how many of us recall (I'm in my late 50s if that helps) many "technical virgins" who were probably more sexually sophisticated than their fellow students who were actually having sex!Ruviananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-10192240739335677092010-09-17T13:56:18.528-05:002010-09-17T13:56:18.528-05:00Well, why back down from the position that whether...Well, why back down from the position that whether or not you believe life begins at conception women should not have their bodies conscripted by the state. And, why must American sex education always focus on not having sex? Why not say sex is great and to enjoy it to the max you need to be free of the worry of pregnancy and disease and you need to do it for yourself and not just because a partner pressures you to do it. That method is used in a lot of European countries that have lower rates of unplanned pregnancy and stds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-19128633351842282972010-09-17T09:52:08.274-05:002010-09-17T09:52:08.274-05:00You are so right about education. The notion that...You are so right about education. The notion that kids have sex because of sex education? Gee, how did the species last this long? Never mind why all the shotgun weddings! <br />Last night I was reading the newsletter of the National Women's Health Network which had a couple of articles on abortion -- one on how to create empathy in controversial discussions. (This was a process used in West Virginia, South Dakota, etc.) And there the central method was to say things like "We all know that for many people, abortion is an unacceptable choice. We all care about strong families which provide safe homes for children". And then you talk about individual women's stories, rather than the abstraction.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09716705206734059708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36212542.post-72956148926785626082010-09-17T09:39:53.355-05:002010-09-17T09:39:53.355-05:00Dammit, TR, I've been saying that "sex ed...Dammit, TR, I've been saying that "sex ed = gun ed" thing since I was in high school. But no one ever seemed to listen in my backassward redneck home town.Luishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01868911400131755249noreply@blogger.com